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Hannah McNelly posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 7 months, 1 week ago · updated 1 week, 1 day agoIf anyone could post some resources for the A2 Tacitus prescription, I would be very grateful. We have now struggled through chapters 20-23 (which the pupils have found tough going), but materials on any section of this would be appreciated!
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Stephen Jenkin posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 2 months, 2 weeks agoBrilliant to see more and more teachers and their students commenting on the online Cicero in Verrem text and commentary! Excellent that classes are adding composite comments, and also that some teachers are asking their students to add a comment (say, as part of homework/assessment).
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Lisa Cashmore posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 5 months ago · updated 5 months agoHas anyone else taken the slightly alternative decision to teach Propertius and Sallust at A2 this year? I’m just starting to prepare questions / notes having finished reading the texts and it would be great to be able to share some views on them.
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Hi Lisa, We don’t have an A2 class this year but has decided to do the Sallust next year, with Virgil though not Prpoertius. Hope all well with you. Jo
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Hi Jo,
Good to hear from you! Yes all well, still managing in my one person department but as I now have more pupils at A Level than all 3 MFL put together, I think I am on the way to bargaining for an extra member of staff! I’m glad someone else has decided to do Sallust, I was just tired of Tacitus. The translating has been ok and it looks…[Read more]
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Stephen Jenkin posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 5 months, 3 weeks ago · updated 5 months agoSome ideas on using IT in A Level Latin (a Prezi presentation). Some of you might find this useful. I’m not sure how long I’m going to keep it saved online, so grab it while you can!
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Stephen Jenkin posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 5 months, 2 weeks ago · updated 5 months, 1 week agoThere are now online interactive versions of the AS Prose and A2 Verse prescribed texts, with commentary and much much more (the Gildenhard commentaries).
You can find them here:
http://inverrem2_1.theclassicslibrary.com
http://aeneid4.theclassicslibrary.com
(Please note that the address of the Cicero text has changed)
You’ll find links to…[Read more]
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Well, I’ve set up both text sites so that anyone can leave a comment. All they need do is give a name and an email address, so there is the chance for some anonymity. You could ask your students to leave a comment, even as part of an assessment perhaps(?), or you could generate a class comment as a result of discussion in a lesson.
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Claire Wood posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 5 months, 4 weeks ago · updated 5 months, 3 weeks agoDo check out the ’AS Level Set Texts Day’ being run at Francis Holland School on 1st Feb 2013 on the events page. All details can be found there.
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Stephen Jenkin posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 6 months ago · updated 6 months agoMetre: Metrical Units and how to recognise them in the wild.
http://www.darcykrasne.com/classics/files/a_field_guide_to_greek_metre.pdf
I love this. If you like Molesworth, you’ll get an extra kick.
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Stephen Jenkin posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 6 months, 1 week ago · updated 6 months, 1 week agoOn the Keynote Conference, 21/11/12. Their publicity material and website says that I shall be delivering a session on the day. I shan’t be. I tentatively agreed to do it on 26th June, but then quickly stepped aside on 6th July, simply because I knew I wasn’t in fact anywhere near qualified enough to give such as session. My absence won’t make…[Read more]
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I have also offered to Keynote to promote the day on The Classics Library, with the updated details!
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Socrates would have been proud!
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Socrates would also have done a better job! Still waiting for a reply from Keynote… Are you going to the conference, George?
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Keynote have now found a replacement, and updated information should be going onto their website soon. If you are interested in attending this event, or any of their other conferences, I’ve just promoted them, as promised, at http://www.theclassicslibrary.com/2012/11/08/keynote-conferences-in-gcse-and-a-level-latin/.
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Ann Johnson posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 6 months, 3 weeks ago · updated 6 months, 3 weeks agoCould anyone help me approach the 25 mark questions on the Prose Set text A2 paper? How many points need to be made and does each point need a quote? I have looked at the mark scheme provided by OCR and found it too vague. Last year my AS students didn’t do as well on the literature paper as i had hoped so i want to get it right for them at…[Read more]
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I agree that it is often very grey. And generally it is harder to do lit crit on prose passages. If you email me on das@warwickschool.org with your direct email I’ll send you some INSET notes (specifically on getting the better marks at A2) which may or may not help. (One of millions of things I keep meaning to get round to uploading onto this site.)
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Philip Robinson posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 7 months, 2 weeks ago · updated 7 months, 1 week agoI have some very able A2 pupils who have been really struggling with the Livy unseen passages in Ch.5 of John Taylor’s excellent book. Is this the standard of difficulty they are likely to encounter in the exam? I can’t find a specimen on the OCR website; does anybody have a view on this?
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I also set my students an exercise out of John Taylor (5.16). I have compared it closely with the format of the Caesar unseen papers over the last few years. First of all, the number of words to translate is higher in the book ( typically about 80 in past papers). Also, the style of questions does not match up. It seems that we can expect a 6…[Read more]
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They certainly are hard although I think partly this is just because Livy is harder going than Caesar. Hopefully once they get a bit more used to the style it won’t be so bad. Mine are complaining about the difficulty of the JT exercises but actually not doing too badly with them.
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Ian Morton posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 7 months, 2 weeks ago · updated 7 months, 2 weeks agore: Danni on Tacitus: I do have some materials on the fire sections of Tacitus which was on about 10 -15 years ago but it’s quite old fashioned, not teacher training style or particularly deep and meaningful and will need checking but I can try to put something together from it if people want…
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I would appreciate anything you have.
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Just added any outstanding Tacitus resources which have been uploaded.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VIgOHNEKw0 (arson theory)
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that would be such a help thank you! i have lots on the as if i can help you with that!
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Melinda Palmer posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 7 months, 3 weeks ago · updated 7 months, 2 weeks agoPlease could anyone suggest ways in which to make the beginning of the Tacitus text (chapters 20-21 and the first part of 22) really interesting for students?
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we’ve translated it … and i asked them… we came to no conclusions!
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Not really really interesting – no. I agree with Tom – why not have the same prescription as last time Tacitus 15 was on which didn’t include this bizarre choice so we could re-use and share previously prepared material?
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lol. In a sad way I’m quite glad to be out of this. Having complained without much support about the poor choice of texts for students to study my AS students voted with their feet: they all gave up Latin! So there.
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Ian – has this been on before? I’ve been teaching 6 years and with the A2 enjoyed prescription so far, but finding the new tacitus odd – have you any resources you could share? thanks!
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I am really at a loss on this one. It might be best to leave the early chapters to the end and focus first on the later and more entertaining chapters. I am seriously thinking of doing the Sallust instead, although there is a lot of historical background to get through to make it comprehensible. It’s a tough call however one chooses. Syme says…[Read more]
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I taught the whole thing in English last year after AS exams were finished and for the first couple of weeks this year; got them to write various essays including one on Paetus Thrasea’s speech. I think Tacitus includes the speech because it’s part of his character portrayal of Thrasea – so I talked the students through the rest of his life from…[Read more]
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Thank you – yes, it does help. I think this is an excellent approach.
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I have also found these first few chapters dull!! One aspect I thought of concentrating on was the arrogance of the Romans and the light it throws on the traditional Roman character. I wish I had left these first chapters to the end, but I embarked on chapter 20 and felt I could not suddenly abandon them. Next year, I shall start on chapter 33!!
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Yes, very sad – the first time in my whole teaching career that I’ve no 6th form Latin at all. But we never got on to the A2 texts as they had had enough [more than enough, so they told me] of the AS prescriptions. Ghastly! I don’t blame them for giving up as I’d probably have done so too if I’d had to slog through that boring Cicero.
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gabrielalf posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 8 months ago · updated 7 months, 2 weeks agoWhat’s A2?
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A2 is the second half of the A Level course (the first half is called AS).
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Thank you for answer, Melinda. Which authors, texts and grammatical topics to be offered in AS and A2?
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You can find all the details on the exam board website: http://www.ocr.org.uk Look for the alphabetical list of subjects (may be under ’qualifications’) and go to ’Classics: Latin – AS/A Level GCE’ for details of the specification and other documents, including past papers.
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Thank you for your answer. If I’ve ”troubles” searching I’ll ask help!
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And there are more direct links to the specifications in the ’Resources, etc’ menu above. Click on Specifications.
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Catharine Jessop posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 7 months, 3 weeks ago · updated 7 months, 2 weeks agoDoes anyone have ideas for how to approach vocabulary at A2? Thanks so much to the people who have uploaded the old AQA lists. However, these are pretty huge – any tips for prioritising? At the moment mine are learning the list of Verse words in John Taylor, but I’m not sure what to do once they run out of these. They are noting down useful…[Read more]
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Not the answer to your questions as such, but some things on this list might be useful: http://www.memrise.com/topic/latin/wordlists/
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Good grief, this is huge! I will enjoy mining it – and isn’t it encouraging for our subject that so many online wordlists should actually exist?!
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I was just about to point you to memrise myself. I’m having a lot of fun with it, and loaded up Shelmerdine’s Latin because I used to teach it myself. A couple of caveats… you have to enter the results exactly as the person updating them did or the system views it as wrong (which is particularly infuriating with e.g fero ‘to bring, bear,…[Read more]
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Lucy Douglas posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 9 months, 1 week ago · updated 7 months, 3 weeks agoI was wondering if any one has any commentaries or notes they could recommend/share for Annals 15? I already have the Miller commentary. It seems there was quite a bit more out there last year for Annals 14…
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struggling with this too!
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me too!
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Terry Bird produces text and running vocbularies – but no notes/commentary. His website is http://www.tabprograms.co.uk
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there’s the miller commentary in the language book, some stuff in the mellor tacitus book… but nothing quite as good as what i could find for 14!
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I’m just trying to find the Mellor book – which one is it that you’ve got? Thanks!
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ronald mellor – tacitus
the bcp miller
and the ”tacitus and the principate” CUP one…. nothing brilliant for the grammar though!
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Not teaching, but I found a copy of Furneaux and Pitman on my shelf (Annals 13-16 commentary). Dated and cursory, but it might help! Find it here: http://www.theclassicslibrary.com/Tacitus%20Annals%2015%2020-3%2C%2033-45.pdf
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I am working on a commentary for the Tacitus, which should be available from Zigzag in November. I agree on the boring choice of the early chapters.
Tony Bartlett
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Catharine Jessop posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 8 months ago · updated 8 months agoI’m teaching verse unseens for the first time this year. Please can anybody advise me about the scansion questions at A2. Do they have to show the caesura in hexameter or not?
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No – caesurae are not required. Nor do they need to show the length of the final syllable [should be marked with an x]
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If you look at the OCR Mark Schemes for 2010 1nd 2011 for A2 Verse paper, the caesura is NOT inserted and the marks are only awarded for correct feet.
Tony Bartlett
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Many thanks, both – that clears that up!
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Andrea Clarkson posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 8 months agoHello. I am a recently retired teacher of MFL, who sat AS Latin (OCR) this year, largely thanks to O-Level study (1966), but also to classes in Continuing Ed, at my local university. I want to take A2 next year and am looking for someone to set and mark for me essay-type questions for the 25-mark section. If you can help, I can let you have my…[Read more]
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Cressida Ryan posted an update in the group
A Level Latin: 1 year, 2 months ago · updated 8 months agoI’m teaching a private student for A2 (Tacitus and Virgil). Does anyone have any advice about stuff I could do with him? We’ve read the set texts and are now ’revising’ and getting into criticism properly, with some attempts at reading other Latin along the side. The main challenge is that he can’t see what the point is, and feels that all…[Read more]
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How about getting him to read/perform it aloud? To do this he will automatically have to develop a grasp of literary criticism, as he’ll be finding word emphasis, alliteration, etc. It will help with metre in the Virgil, too.
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With the Tacitus I think it helps to fill in some of the historical/geographical context. I always precede/accompany it with a bit of Roman history including pictures – the Julio-Claudian emperors and their family tree, the background with Claudius, Octavia and Britannicus. A bit on the Republican background too to give an insight into the…[Read more]
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Thank you both – just seen these. He’s decided that Tacitus doesn’t count as literature and that he doesn’t care about history, but I’m working on this. Developing critical skills with someone this stubborn is certainly a challenge, but this may perhaps be why he’s not at school anymore.
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For the general reading, ther’s a thing called ‘Aestimanda’ which appealed to me a lot at that age. Also, Yes, admit Tacitus to be neither history nor literature… and challenge him to coem up with equivalent tabloid press, and to rewrite sections in gutter press style. It might work… Also, it’s not very long, so tell him its a mark a…[Read more]
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Not even in the interests of ingratiating myself with a stubborn pupil would I dream of ”admitting” that Tacitus is not literature, whatever one might think of his credentials as a historian! But I agree with you about setting out the bottom line as this might be the only way to get through to him.
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Why is he doing it if he doesn’t feel that literature is important either for its own sake or for the history and ideas that it can reveal? And if he truly resents the fact that Latin isn’t taught as a spoken language, how about making him do some English to Latin – this will provide some intellectual stimulation and also might make him…[Read more]
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Again, thank you. Some of the creative takes might help if I manage not to sound patronising. Certainly a challenge, but also to some of my preconceptions about Tacitus (even though I’ve taught this before). We’ve been read some Renaissance and Early Modern Latin alongside the Classical, but need to focus on the exam now. I’ll update on how it goes.
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Thought I’d let the kind people who offered advice know that he got a massive A*, so something must have gone right! Thank you.
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Excellent news! Well done, both of you!
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Brown posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 8 months, 2 weeks ago · updated 8 months, 1 week agoI am about to teach my daughter AS Latin at home.I am not a teacher although I do have a Latin degree .She has level 2 Wjec certificate in Latin language.Has any body any ideas /resources to help me other than those that can be found on OCR’s website?Many thanks.
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Hello. There is a handful of home-schooling parents who use the site, alongside the teachers. You need access to the Resources pages, which require a separate login (did you not get a pop-up asking to email me?). This login is for the knowledge of members only, so can I please ask you not to share it with your daughter, but to access the Resources…[Read more]
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Zigzag have several companions/Guides on A/S and GCSE set texts. The Companion to Ovid Amores III, Poems 2,3,5 and 14 will be published shortly. It contains a translation and notes, mainly on style, which are not contained in the prescribed text. It also has an introduction on Elegiac metre (Hexameter and Pentameter).
Tony Bartlett
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Hi, I was in exactly the same position as you last year! Apart from the resources already mentioned, I found Ingo Gildenhard’s Cicero Against Verres absolutely invaluable, also Introducing Cicero (Bristol Classical Press). The resources on this site are fanastic too! Re grammar: Latin Beyound GCSE by John Taylor is an abolutely must and Latin…[Read more]
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Thanks-have had some great feedback from my post.My daughter is in Year 11-GCSE year-so out time is limited .At the most we will have 2 hours per week.How did you apportion your time between language and set texts and will 2hours be enough to prepare exam for next Summer?
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My daughter was timetabled 5 hours per AS subject at school, per week so we tried to keep to that at home. Of course it depends how much independent studying your daughter can do – mine was pretty useless at that. I would say to start with we spent 70% of our time studying the set texts, as she was stronger at the language; she could do…[Read more]
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David Stephenson posted an update in the group
A Level Latin 8 months, 1 week ago · updated 8 months, 1 week agoA2 Ovid Hexameter – who fancies clubbing up to produce some practice papers in the new A2 style? Presumably there’s nothing out there as it’s just moved from elegiacs. I’d be very keen to co-ordinate a “working group” – just to avoid overlapping, help find some bits of the right level, agree a variety of themes etc. (I’m reasonably confident…[Read more]
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There is an edition of the four poems in the Amores set for A/S shortly to be published by ZigZag education, which contains an introduction to the metre, translation and notes on style.
Tony Bartlett
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Stevo, I’d be happy to help. In fact I’m one step ahead – I have ten or more unseens taken from various sources (Kennedy etc.). All they lack are comprehension questions. Want me to email them over?
Will
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I have put some resources on the site for chapters 20 and 21. I have looked a little further at Thrasea, using Wikipedia for his life “story”. I noticed that he was related to Arria, that wonderful Roman woman who was the model of a good wife and killed herself saying to her husband “non dolet, Paete”. There were two stories about her set for…[Read more]
Hi Ruth,
I was wondering if you had notes for hapter 45 of Tacitus Book 15 – your notes have been excellent and very welcome, and I was just wondering if you also had some for this last chapter? If so, I would be hugely grateful if you could post them! Hannah